and production on gas is down 9%. >> obama: is it's just not true. >> cenk: well, president obama was correct there. and i would say unfortunately because when you look at this chart, how much land that the president has conserved whew, disastrous, not only did clinton clean his clock but so did george w. bush and ronald reagan. he preserved less land for public use than george w. bush. of course, obama likes to break bush's record and go further right, and he did in this case as well and opened up a tremendous amount of land to drill on. i want to bring in a couple of experts, michael shure our political correspondent, and then mark flogl with greenpeace research unit. thank you for joining us. i want to ask you about sally jewel's record. it seems to me that it's a mixed bag. she worked for an oil company and then worked as as a banker, which is a prerequisite if you work in the obama administration. she seems like a conservation conservationist. >> she worked for mobile 30 years ago. that was an entry level position. the people she'll deal with in her new position if she's confirme